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Discussions about specific materials / no minimum age

« on: January 03, 2010, 04:24:26 AM »

You firmly state with all confidence a claim that you yourselves prove incorrect 
I’m not so sure children are bad by their nature. Some become bad when they grow up, and even that is not their fault. The minute they leave of the womb they absorb speciesist and aggressive messages in every aspect of life from a society that takes those two for granted. No wonder that it’s so hard to recontemplate these perceptions in later stages of life. But on the other hand it is possible - for a fact. Me and every vegan and even the O.O.S. members were raised in a speciesist society and managed to question the common consent and form an alternative perspective.
There should be a minimum age for expectations of children to make decisions based on moral and empathy as they are not yet able to differentiate between right and wrong. They don’t choose to do wrong, they don’t comprehend so it’s irrelevant and very unfair to make such heavy accusations against them. Once they grow up it will be much more relevant.

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Discussions about specific materials / Re: A thrill to kill

« on: September 23, 2009, 01:46:47 PM »

Ok, it’s clearer now, but still, wouldn’t you say that the fact that laws against some hunting methods were legislated is in itself an indication that society has changed?
Not too long ago that monitoring hunting, determining its scope and incidence, restricting the number of hunted individuals of the same species, and of course to outlaw specific methods as hunting with dogs were unthinkable and today it exists.

True the violent urges still exist and were not neutralized and I agree they may be expressed in other places and other ways but still society stood up against some of these violent urges and opposed them and that is a progress
What was once out of the question is now a reality
Once upon a time gladiator fight was amusement for the crowd and today it would sound crazy and unacceptable in any modern society

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Discussions about specific materials / A thrill to kill

« on: September 20, 2009, 06:04:46 AM »

OOS-I'd like to get it straight, the argument in Thrill to Kill is that outlawing hunting is wrong because other ways to torment animals for amusement might be found??
The blood thirsty huntsman were a lost cause from the starts, this doesn’t mean they should be allowed to curry their sadistic desires as they wish   

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Discussions about specific materials / the most ambivalent argument

« on: September 10, 2009, 02:50:36 AM »

I’ve seen your "even the most selfish argument is not working" and I really don’t get you. You say it’s unrealistic/impossible to veganize the entire world population but on the other hand you criticize these sorts of inducements methods that take into consideration these views and work with what they got to help the animals

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Discussions about specific materials / Re: 50 billion cripples

« on: September 05, 2009, 07:35:56 AM »

Are you suggesting I will take a gun to KFC next demo and shoot everybody.

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Discussions about specific materials / Re: 50 billion cripples

« on: September 05, 2009, 05:10:03 AM »

I don’t call 4 hours of standing with signs and shouting slogans in front of KFC, ignoring.

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Discussions about specific materials / strategy

« on: August 31, 2009, 08:02:11 PM »

I didn’t want to get involved but I must interfere since this is getting silly, I’ll make it short.
First of all it’s easy to pass judgment but what were you prepared to do?
Second - Do you think it’s the first time this issue is talked about? It’s called strategy. Even if violence is the justified path it’s certainly not the clever one and people know that, especially following the wrath that was brought down upon us all for the late house calls and letters tactics used by few. Think what it would be like if bombs start going off.