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Discussions about specific materials / a good word and a question

« on: August 14, 2010, 11:59:51 AM »

First, I wanted to commend you on the extraordinary work you did to create this website.

I think the material, especially the invested multimedia articles, is the most convincing stuff on the internet.
I wish every activist will examine deeply this material and will come to the same conclusion you did.


In addition, I wanted to know if a multimedia articles on vivisection and the beef industry are in the planning.
(I didn't find such ones)

Thanks.

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Discussions about specific materials / Re: "Most of the creatures suffer most of the time."

« on: July 09, 2010, 01:13:28 PM »

Again, thank you for the detailed answer.

1. Sorry I was taking text out of context. I my self thought it was not out of context. My bad.

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"From the last sentence of your comment I guess that your answer to the above quoted question is a world in which there is not even one suffering creature. So it is not supposed to matter.

Anyway to answer your question, yes, there is a place in the website where we explain/give-details how did we come up with this conclusion and it is mainly the non-speciesist suffer article... ".

Correct and I did read in the past the non-speciesist suffer article (in my mind, unless I missed it, it does not answer the point I was referring too. I think your current message deals with it and presents a strong case for its correctness). I was curious about this point because if it does true, it will make this website's  case much stronger to many activists. This, because one of the common arguments against your solution is that many creatures will still choose to live again should they have been given the choice after their death.


3. I hope you realized by now that my opinions are pretty much like yours. My messages on the board have a purpose to make your argument clearer and stronger - for me and for others.

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Discussions about specific materials / Re: The spay and neuter argument

« on: July 09, 2010, 12:53:44 PM »

Thank you for the detailed answer. Sorry for not including the entire paragraphs.

1. Regarding the first issue, I understand what you mean and agree with the general idea.
Just to make it clear, by saying "doesn't seem grounded", I didn't relate to the chances to change humans, but to the fact that I don't aware of serious activists who believe in the future humans would stop driving due to trampled cats.
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"The entire website consists of arguments why it is ridiculous to say that it is unrealistic to change humans' relation towards animals. Every image, every slideshow and every video is an evidence for the ridiculous attempt to change society. Article after article, most of the answers in the FAQ and most importantly the manifest. So I don’t understand where did you come up with that? "

I think there was some misunderstanding:
I understood this sentence the opposite way.
If I omit the "un" prefix and say "it is ridiculous to say that it is realistic to change humans". Don't you agree with that sentence (I do)? It is ridiculous to think it is realistic to change humans' relation towards animals.

If I still doing a mess with this sentence, then never mind (English is not my native language).

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Discussions about specific materials / "Most of the creatures suffer most of the time."

« on: June 26, 2010, 02:04:03 PM »

In the FAQ section ("But life is not only suffer, there are good parts in life too"), you stated that "Most of the creatures suffer most of the time."
http://only-one-solution.net/faq/but_life_is_not_only_suffer_there_are_good_parts_too.html

Is there a place in the website where  you explain/give-details how did you come up with this conclusion?
I didn't find such place.

Your answer to the claim "But life is not only suffer, there are good parts in life too" contains a human example but this example does not indicate the suffering percentage of the creature during his daily life. This person might be miserable but still it doesn't mean he/she will suffer most of the time (and you recognize that: "Of course it doesn’t mean she can’t be happy").

I understand why slaved ants can be categorized as creatures who suffer most of the time. But a random insect? I assume that to most of the insects it takes time until their "15-60 minutes of hell" (their death journey), time in which they do not suffer.

I'm not claiming by any means that if most creatures do not suffer most of the time, that the solution to the suffering problem should be a different one than the one given in your website.

Thanks!

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Discussions about specific materials / The spay and neuter argument

« on: June 26, 2010, 06:58:38 AM »

I think this argument is not constructed as well as the other ones.

For example:
"3,242 humans die from car accidents every day and they don’t care, so do you really think they will stop because of a few million cats?"
I'm not familiar with one activist who dedicates his time for stopping people from driving due to trampled cats (or to argue with someone on this matter). This sentence just doesn't seem grounded in reality.

And later, you return to this idea "so you most definitely can't convince them to stop because they might hurt cats."


Also, the sentence "It is even ridicules to say that it is unrealistic to change humans' relation towards animals." is not clear enough. I guess I know what you meant, but still...

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Discussions about specific materials / Other AR organizations response

« on: June 04, 2010, 07:11:35 AM »

[Since this question sounds a bit irritating, I'm going to remove it if it doesn't get answered within two days. I ask because it is an interesting subject.]

On the manifest, you wrote:

"Of course it is obvious and of course some organizations figured that out. But don’t you think it says something?
What exactly did those organizations say? That they know it is the only way to stop the suffer (otherwise how did they guess) but they are not interested in helping?!"


Was the website already running during this period of time?
If so, they didn't guess, it said so on the website, no?

Thanks.

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Discussions about specific materials / Re: "constituting the torture"

« on: May 24, 2010, 08:18:06 AM »

Thanks.

P.S.  I already read&watched the main material on the website.

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Discussions about specific materials / "constituting the torture"

« on: May 19, 2010, 05:29:15 AM »

Hello, what do you mean when saying the phrase in the subject in the following paragraph:

"... most of the activists are speciesists. They devote their time constituting the torture, practically accepting humans' dominance."

If you had to use a different word, not "constituting", what would it be?

Thanks.