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Discussions about specific materials / Re: veggie hotdog eating contest

« on: March 22, 2010, 02:21:42 PM »

I do think so. Unfortunately I do. It is another issue among many that needs to be reexamined while I reconsider my future as an activist.

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Discussions about specific materials / Re: veggie hotdog eating contest

« on: March 17, 2010, 11:54:38 AM »

no no no. the exact opposite. I think it is very important. This article represent a very interesting and challenging concept for whoever watching it and I include my self in it too as someone who once seized veganism as the best thing ever happened to him and to the whole world. Now I’ve got to face a few issues that I knew of and suppressed and some I didn’t realize.
This article is challenging because it comes from vegan activists who know very well what is factory farming and proved it all along the website. There is a lot of info in the article about the harms involved in plant agriculture and a lot more over the net. I started to read a little and unfortunately I found many confirmation to what‘s written in it and generally the more I discover the more I am amazed.
It was a little hard for me at first because I kept comparing to factory farms which is of course a mistake. There is no room for comparison and there is no needs as well. My conclusion for now is that although they are incomparable and that nothing can be compared to factory farms, veganism is bad enough that we must think of other solutions including seriously consider the one suggested in this website. The fact that to live is to hurt (a sentence I can’t take out of mind these days) is not new to me but it was never so bluntly, sharply and assertively represented to me to the point I just cant ignore this voice. I must confront with the idea that I will systematically hurt just being alive and that millions constantly suffer just by being existent. I am not from out of space the material is not new but now that it is a specific suggesting for totally alter course it became the big question and answer gets clearer and clearer as I go over more and more material in this a little cheeky but brave and determined website.   

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Discussions about specific materials / Re: veggie hotdog eating contest

« on: March 16, 2010, 07:14:33 AM »

I as opposed can understand activists who use the cruelty free argument and that have problems with the message in vegan suffer. I think it happens for two main reasons. One is that usually when they hear that vegansim is not moral it comes out of meateaters who try to justify their consumption of animal products through the pathetic projection on vegans’ consumption. They automatically try to direct the flames back to the activists, talking about them and what is wrong with their way of life. As poor and lousy as shifting the criticism ‘right back at you’ is, it works for them, and it is very popular too, who here hasn’t heard that?
I think vegans’ position   n to this article is actually a conditioned reflex to oppose to the “what about the poor carrot” argument that meateaters like so much.

The second reason is that the suffer in factory farms is so great that it is quite understandable why the ones that were exposed to it claim that everything that is not evolve with it is moral and painless even though it is not true and it is easy to figure that out just using your common sense.