I apologize for the late response. For security reasons we can’t check personal messages, emails and this forum frequently. That’s why all the responses are slow. We hope to find a secure solution for that problem. We don’t trust proxy servers 100% and there is too much on stake for us to take the chance. If you have any idea how we can do it securely it would be very efficient.
We all invest all of our time trying to find the desirable solution including finding more people who will do everything they can to stop all the suffering in the world. Trying to enlarge the amount of activists in the OOS movement is what I personally focus on and from the moment the website, emails, cd’s and everything else regarding to the publication of the movement was finished, I do it alone, which is another reason for the relatively slow responses. The rest of the original crew has started science studies as part of the practical research.
And speaking of which, have you read our
practical implementation materials?
We realize that the current versions are way too general and groundling. As we wrote, they are not operation guides but some leads that according to the short study we've done so far seem to hold potential. They are mere examples and I’m detailing them here not so you fix your mind on them, but to trigger your creativity so you can get started.
One of the reasons some of us have started science studies is to improve the current practical implementation materials as well as looking for a way to implement the idea ourselves, obviously.
I am sorry I can’t give more information than that because I don’t know who reads here and why. However that can be a relevant option for you as well.
Have you read the answer to the question
what can I do? in our FAQ? Hopefully you’ll get a few clues how to start from there.
Regarding your question
why we all must stop other activism, a lot of attention is given to explain this argument, in fact most of the website is dedicate to that issue. According to that question and actually your entire message, I guess you haven’t read the
manifest or the FAQ. Please take the time and do. We addressed your questions there. Focus on the negative argument in the manifest, which thoroughly explains why we think you must stop every other activity and focus on the only way to stop
all the suffering for
good (as opposed to tiny fraction and only for a while, if at all), and in the FAQ section focus mainly on
Why not work hard to make a vegan world?,
The problem is that people don't know what is going on and
O.k. I agree, but don’t you think it will take a lot of time and the chances are very small to succeed, so I better act within the conventional movement?I am sure if you’ll read all of the above, you’ll be convinced to stop with the non-effective conventional activism and focus on solving the problem from the roots.
even if we havent got the slightest idea on how to find a soulution for ur idea....so if i have no clue i will only be sitting around doing allmost nothing while shelter dogs are being gassed and ppl continue eating meat etcAre you suggesting keeping with the same activity even though you know it can’t really make a difference?
I don’t think that because you currently can’t find a clue how to get started you should keep doing pointless things. Conventional activism don’t, didn’t and wouldn’t help the suffering creatures. There are much more suffering creatures today than ever before in history.
Humans prove again and again and again and again and again that profits, taste preferences, convenience, amusement etc, are much more important to them than anything else. Most of them are not even willing to hear the facts and listen to the arguments, not to mention to stop financing animal abuse.
Wake up! Even when most of the public is against an exploitive industry, like in the case of seal hunting for fur or rodeos or cockfighting, dog fighting, ivory, and etc, it doesn’t matter. It is not enough. The world is changing because of economic and political reasons. Not because of moral reasons (you have a few examples in the article Trends). Bullfights still exist, in spite of the campaigns that the animal rights organizations run against them for decades, and in spite that most humans are against them. And if this is not enough for little and publicly unaccepted industries such as bullfighting, cockfighting and dog fighting, when will the chicken meat industry, which is more than 50 billion suffering animals per year industry, ever stop?
I know how painful it is to admit that activists rely on small achievements missing the bigger picture and fail to recognize the mechanism. So many honestly believe the state of animals improved since the movement was formed.
You asked me how did I become vegan? well the answer is after reading animal liberation. But after years of demonstrations, rallies, parades, vegan food stands, lectures, seminars, direct actions, graffiti, posters, flyers, liberations from factory farms and from laboratories, lobbyism and laws promotion and every other way I thought could help convince humans to stop taking part and financing animal exploitation, I realized I am giving all I’ve got in the wrong place.
It is really frightening to think how much animal suffer increased since Animal Liberation was first published. The global pigs meat production increased almost 3 times, egg production 4 times and chickens meat production by more than 5 times.
Since 1975 new industries have been formed joining the ones that already exist and constantly expand. New species became subjected to commercial exploitation, that intensify further all the time. The prices got cheaper and cheaper and a greater variety of available products was introduced to the market consecutively in the 45 years of the "animal liberation age".
The meat consumption per capita has increased in all countries in the world with no exceptions. The per capita demand in Asia has almost quadrupled since 1975.
The Middle Income Countries have triple their meat consumption since 1975 and it's now standing on about 50kg on average. China’s meat per capita consumption was quintupled since Animal Liberation was first published. And maybe the most freighting figure is that what is called developing countries are already catching up with the average global consumption and they were standing on third of today’s amount just in 1975. These countries also hold the highest population growth rate.
As you see, the future is not auspicious. The proportion between the number of humans who are potential animal rights supporters and potential vegans, and the number of humans who are not, will be even worse in the future.
In many cases the ones with the potential are against breeding or at least procreate "only" once or twice, as opposed to humans who are not animal rights potentials, which are the vast majority of the world anyway, that usually procreate at least 4 times in their life time. In a lot of cases even more.
In rough generalization, the more humans are distant from animal rights, human rights and environmental "issues", the more they procreate and vice versa. Therefore even the opposition to relatively small scale industries like veal calves, will be harder in the future.
No point in dreaming of a vegan world when the global course is the exact opposite.
Every second, 5 more humans are born. The suffer in the world is growing nominatively to the human population growth. Reducing the number of humans will necessarily reduce the amounts of suffer. Nothing else.
It’s the market forces and technology that dictate the reality for each and every creature in this world and especially for the hundreds of billions of animals raised in intensive factory farms. Every year tens of millions more are born into a life of suffer, and the numbers will keep rising until you realize that conventional activism can only gently nibble the edges of the mainstream but it can’t stop the main stream of suffer.
Time is our greatest enemy. Every second that life continues is extreme suffer for billions of creatures.
it sounds like u have given upNot despair and disbelief, not hate or crave for revenge but the image of a world with no battery cages, no slaughterhouses, no laboratories, no rape and no hunger is our motivation.
And my question to you is why working on a vegan world when you can work on a sufferless world?
If you only wish to slightly improve the world, you can leave our website and continue with your current activity. If you wish to stop the suffer, leave your current activity and establish your own stopping all the suffer team.